Hey guys,
Since I am a CFIG, 61.429 would allow me to teach at the sport pilot
glider level without getting the 5 hours of make and model time in,
correct?

Now, 61.419 tells me that I can obtain addtional priviliges to provide
training in other light-sport aircraft such as LSA single engine land,
by getting and completing a endorsement and proficency check by another
instructor, correct?

However, since I am not a "fully rated CFI" in airplanes, I can only
instruct pilots to the sport-pilot level and need 5 PIC time in the
make and model to instruct, correct? I heard about the 5 hours PIC, but
could find it nowhere in the FAR's, anybody?

-Nik

> wrote in message
ups.com...
> Hey guys,
> Since I am a CFIG, 61.429 would allow me to teach at the sport pilot
> glider level without getting the 5 hours of make and model time in,
> correct?
>
> Now, 61.419 tells me that I can obtain addtional priviliges to provide
> training in other light-sport aircraft such as LSA single engine land,
> by getting and completing a endorsement and proficency check by another
> instructor, correct?
>
> However, since I am not a "fully rated CFI" in airplanes, I can only
> instruct pilots to the sport-pilot level and need 5 PIC time in the
> make and model to instruct, correct? I heard about the 5 hours PIC, but
> could find it nowhere in the FAR's, anybody?

Could you do that without being rated in airplanes? If not, what level SEL
certificate would you need to have? This is an academically interesting subject
to me, as I am also a CFIG, but only have a Private rating in airplanes.
("academic" because I have zero desire to actually instruct in airplanes)


While we are on the subject, I remain confused about when a ground
instructor certificate is needed. As a CFIG could I legally teach a Private
Pilot SEL course or would I need to first get a Ground Instructor certificate?

Vaughn


Vaughn

Vaughn Simon wrote:
> While we are on the subject, I remain confused about when a ground
> instructor certificate is needed. As a CFIG could I legally teach a Private
> Pilot SEL course or would I need to first get a Ground Instructor certificate?

I hold GI, AGI, and IGI certificates. I took the tests beacause I had
studied all the required material for the flight instructor ratings. I
don't expect them to be useful unless I fail to keep my CFI rating
current. I know of nothing a ground instructor can do that a flight
instructor with equivalent rating cannnot.

I hope it's not possible to get a sport pilot instructor rating for a
type of aircraft you are not rated in. Surely the regs are not that
stupid.

Andy

Andy wrote:
> ...I know of nothing a ground instructor can do that a flight
> instructor with equivalent rating cannnot.

Nothing major, that's for sure. All I can come up with that CFI must
log/record each student endorsed for taking the knowledge test (as well
as the score received) and that log must be kept for at least 3 years
(FAR 61.189). A ground instructor is under no such obligation. My
understanding is that CFI endorsed knowledge test failure counts against
the CFI just as a practical test failure would. I expect that this may
be an issue when you teach large groups and can't track an individual
student well as you could if you were also his/her CFI.

IMHO, I recommend that all prospective CFIs also take the Advanced
Ground Instructor knowledge test around the time that they take the CFI
knowledge test. It's the same test except they can ask you questions
about all aircraft types on the AGI test. Really no big deal.

Tony V. CFI-G, AGI

"Andy" > wrote in message
ps.com...
>
> I hold GI, AGI, and IGI certificates. I took the tests beacause I had
> studied all the required material for the flight instructor ratings. I
> don't expect them to be useful unless I fail to keep my CFI rating
> current. I know of nothing a ground instructor can do that a flight
> instructor with equivalent rating cannnot.

There is one small advantage of a ground instructor certificate. Strangely
enough, they don't have the record keeping requirements of a CFI. So if you
sign someone off for a test and use your ground instructor certificate, you
don't get a black mark if they fail the written and you don't even have to chase
them to get the results of their test so you can log it as required by far
61.189.

Vaughn

This is also interesting because there is no "commercial" light sport rating
except for instructor.

This is just my opinion, but I think that with a private SEL rating you are
by default rated to fly LSA airplanes, so if you also have a CFIG and the
necessary PIC time, then you should be able to use 61.419 to instruct in
airplanes, but only to the LSA level.

As far as I'm concerned, this makes reasonable sense. LSA's are
considerably simpler to fly than say a Stemme S10, or an ASH-25Mi, and the
PIC time requirements ensure that you are at least reasonably familiar with
the aircraft. Some of the newer motorgliders like the Pipistrel Virus
very closely resemble an LSA in fact. The operating regime of the typical
LSA is also going to be very similar to most gliders. Typically local
flying in good weather.

Regards,


Mark Lenox, CFIG
Chilhowee Gliderport
www.chilhowee.com


> wrote in message
ups.com...
> Hey guys,
> Since I am a CFIG, 61.429 would allow me to teach at the sport pilot
> glider level without getting the 5 hours of make and model time in,
> correct?
>
> Now, 61.419 tells me that I can obtain addtional priviliges to provide
> training in other light-sport aircraft such as LSA single engine land,
> by getting and completing a endorsement and proficency check by another
> instructor, correct?
>
> However, since I am not a "fully rated CFI" in airplanes, I can only
> instruct pilots to the sport-pilot level and need 5 PIC time in the
> make and model to instruct, correct? I heard about the 5 hours PIC, but
> could find it nowhere in the FAR's, anybody?
>
> -Nik
>